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January 23, 2005

Kayak?

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Posted by David Weinberger

I have a question for Liz and Clay. (Each of the sentences in the next paragraphs should be taken as an assumption of mine that need questioning.)

People tag either so they can find stuff or so that others can. (A non-exclusive “either/or”, of course.) The homogenizing of meaning that Liz so brilliantly points to works against both goals. E.g., let’s say del.icio.us tells me that the most popular tag for Powerline.com is “republican.” If I am a Republican, that tag isn’t going to sufficiently differentiate for me the clumps of my bookmarks. Likewise, if I really want that page to be found by others, a tag as generic as “republican” ensures it will be ignored in the Niagara of pages with that tag. Won’t those irritations rub the lamp sufficiently to summon the genius of the market?

For example, as Liz points out, social networks can help get relevant results out of folksonomies; tags and folksonomies are already intersecting social networks, as at Flickr,. And a table of synonyms that’s compiled manually and/or automatically by doing clustering analysis can enable us to tag local but search global. Or if generalized tag sets emerge (and I think they will, albeit not truly globally), we can use them as well as our local tags. For example, if a tag set called “AmeriTag” emerges, we could tag a photo as [ameritag:hotdog food_eating_contest obscene_idiots], where the second tags are purely our own. (Namespaces to the rescue!)

Aren’t we going to innovate our way out of this? I agree with Clay that we’re paddling a kayak in a stream that can’t be stopped. But are we really kayaking over the falls? Isn’t it more like the Nile that, overflowing its banks, fosters emergence? (And can I stop with the river metaphors now? :)

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1. Abe on January 23, 2005 1:06 PM writes...

would it be too much to suggest that "the genius of the market" is probably something that shouldn't be used as a throwaway phrase unless one wants the conversation to veer way off course? Doing my best to leave my comments at that...

As for this kayak, I'd agree the stream is unstoppable if you happen to be on the kayak. But is everyone really onboard?

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2. Michal Migurski on January 23, 2005 2:34 PM writes...

Namespaces! Aren't those essentially a one-level hierarchical taxonomy, and therefore outside "folksonomy" as described here? Folksonomies, to me, are at their best in limited scenarios, where some context can be assumed. E.g., on Flickr, no one tags their photos with "picture" because that's part of the understood context.

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3. Ross Mayfield on January 23, 2005 5:23 PM writes...

Maybe its a raft.

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4. Ross Mayfield on January 23, 2005 5:26 PM writes...

Maybe its a massive drunken tubing expedition that suddenly takes a class five turn.

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5. Bill Hart-Davidson on January 24, 2005 12:19 PM writes...

A counter assumption to assumption 1:

People tag to get famous.

Or, to put it more generally, people tag for reasons that aren't always "tasky" but are more related to lifestyle choices (e.g. building maintaining social identity and relationships with others).

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