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Loose Democracy

February 09, 2004

[DigDemo] Press

Jay Rosen: [Gives a history of the public, which I come in late on. Damn!] We've come full circle to where now the Internet is giving voters a mouth.

Jeff Jarvis: He refers to his five expectations of what should happen.

[Some powerful good blogging at Jay and Jeff's sites recently, not that that's unusual.]

Jay: The authority of the press matters to us. It's important to our democracy. They will find ways to be more interactive and to listen better.

Dan: Journalists need to understand what's going on, but we also need better tools from the technical community.

Dan: The real threat to traditional journalism isn't blogging. It's eBay, the largest classified ads publisher.

Jay: We need to distinguish between journalism and Big Media. Big Media threatens journalism. Journalists have presented themselves as insiders who know the truth; this has worn away at the authority of journalists. The challenge of the press is to find a form of authority that's more interactive.

Dan: My mantra is that my readers know more than I do. They just do.

Q: What does a digital democracy look like?

Jay: Wrong question. Instead: What does a democratic culture look like? What can digital democracy do for us in creating a democratic culture.

Jarvis: Yahoo and MSN are like old media. Technorati and Blogdex are better finding what matters to you.

Posted by self at 4:45 PM
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Rosen's stuff was very, very good. Here are a few more notes:

The production of silence has been a role of the mass media.

The terms of authority are changing. It's important to preserve the press from the media. We don't want to delegitimate the press. They're going to have to find a way to more legitimize their authority in ways that are more transparent, interactive, more open.

Bloggers do it for love. Very powerful thing. Professionals may love their work, but they do it for pay. Amateurs are a threat, not because they're going to take over, but because they have a difference motivation. They do it for love.

The model of professionalism is coming undone. the authority. People view journalists themselves as insiders and that erodes their authority. Pointing to information will become an essential journalistic act.

Op-ed argument by journalists is not at the same level as bloggers. Bloggers are at a higher level, because they must point to their sources. Certain things online will blow you away with the quality of what's being written.

Posted by Terry Heaton on February 9, 2004 05:40 PM | Permalink to Comment

Thanks for blogging all this stuff...

The real threat to traditional journalism is eBay - huh? Did I miss something?

Posted by Chuck Olsen on February 9, 2004 08:22 PM | Permalink to Comment
Who is Dan?

Excerpt: Brother Weinberger writes, Dan: The real threat to traditional journalism isn't blogging. It's eBay, the largest classified ads publisher. I'm guessing Dan Gillmor, because he is a digerati with first-name status. Anyway, he is absolutely right. Classi...

Read the rest...

Trackback from The Bottom Line, Feb 10, 2004 8:41 AM

eBay threatens newspapers because papers rely on classified ads. Sorry to have been unclear about this.

Posted by David Weinberger on February 10, 2004 06:06 PM | Permalink to Comment

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